I mean holy crap chat log
psolms: also
[6:24pm] psolms: im not sure i trust infidel
[6:24pm] Egos: why is that?
[6:24pm] psolms: his last 2 days show this
[6:24pm] Egos: unless you think he has a tank
[6:24pm] Egos:
[6:24pm] psolms: he put in a driveby on law yesterday
[6:24pm] psolms: and again on thorgot today
[6:25pm] psolms: i dont know what happened to put him into his place as the "network leader"
[6:25pm] Egos: he died
[6:25pm] Egos:
[6:25pm] psolms: and came back?
[6:25pm] Egos: yup
[6:25pm] Egos: and pointed out a few
[6:25pm] Egos: or helped push
[6:26pm] psolms: you should look over that
[6:26pm] psolms: because if he only pushed and didnt actually spotlight anyone, we may have a classic mafia bluff on our hands
[6:26pm] psolms: an aznman special as i call it
[6:26pm] Egos: considering he was a recruit of precisionk
[6:26pm] Egos: neutral at most..
[6:26pm] Egos: precisionk was a neutral in this game
[6:28pm] psolms: infidel wasnt in the first 2 mafia wagons
[6:28pm] Egos: he was dead one day
[6:28pm] Egos: (he died on day 2)
[6:29pm] psolms: well trust him if you like, but im not going to
[6:29pm] Egos: thats fine
[6:37pm] psolms: i dont understand how that makes thorgot evil
[6:38pm] Egos: willingness to vote another mafia to make himself look good
[6:38pm] Egos: with little threat of it gaining steam
[6:38pm] Egos: seemingly
[6:38pm] psolms: did you read my wall of text?
[6:38pm] Egos: ebfan was willing
[6:38pm] psolms: they only need 1 early in each wagon
[6:39pm] psolms: put too many and they risk making it unstoppable
[6:39pm] Egos: he didnt solidify it
[6:39pm] Egos: t_r had an unknown vote thing
[6:39pm] Egos: its smarter to not have a whole team that could be traced
[6:40pm] psolms: thorgot was 6th on the LFHX wagon
[6:40pm] Egos: which at the time
[6:40pm] Egos: extramattott had like 8 votes
[6:40pm] psolms: if its a mafia play, its too late in the game to make it
[6:40pm] psolms: they spread their votes when theres no threat
[6:41pm] Egos: or to be smart
[6:41pm] psolms: when LFXH became threatened, thats when we can find them
[6:41pm] Egos: and anticipate the fact people will spreadsheet
[6:41pm] psolms: in the counter wagon
[6:41pm] psolms: look at the wagon on law
[6:41pm] Egos: why is ebfan there?
[6:41pm] Egos: most of the wagon on law is dead
[6:41pm] psolms: hes not
[6:41pm] Egos: he is on lfhx
[6:41pm] psolms: thats my point
[6:41pm] Egos: he voted for lfhx
[6:41pm] Egos: ebfan
[6:41pm] Egos: how is that your point?
[6:41pm] psolms: of the ones who are not dead
[6:41pm] psolms: aegis
[6:41pm] psolms: daius
[6:41pm] psolms: malkor
[6:41pm] Egos: they could both be evil
[6:42pm] psolms: all super suspicious
[6:42pm] Egos: its a large game
[6:42pm] psolms: theres no way they would let a wagon on LFHX grow without pushing
[6:42pm] Egos: why not if they have large numbers and could potentially earn some trust?
[6:42pm] psolms: thorgot is good, voted 6th on LFHX
[6:43pm] psolms: aegis pushes back
[6:43pm] psolms: they didnt need to do anything for a while
[6:43pm] psolms: cause people were joining without provocation
[6:43pm] psolms: then its not enough
[6:43pm] Egos: what do you mean aegis pushes back?
[6:43pm] psolms: LFHX adds his own vote
[6:43pm] psolms: malkor joins
[6:43pm] psolms: aegis was 5th on the counter wagon
[6:44pm] psolms: for law
[6:44pm] psolms: with your logic
[6:44pm] psolms: i should be voting for you
[6:44pm] psolms: for your place in the cj wagon
[6:44pm] Egos: except i pushed for cj
[6:44pm] Egos:
[6:44pm] psolms: cause it makes more sense to do that day 1
[6:45pm] psolms: then on day 4
[6:45pm] psolms: when youve already lost 3 mafia
[6:45pm] Egos: i could vote for you for last minute voting on lfhx
[6:45pm] psolms: there is a curve of mafia boldness
[6:45pm] psolms: no, thats not how that works
[6:45pm] psolms: if i was the last person on law, yeah
[6:45pm] psolms: early on mafia, late on counters
[6:45pm] psolms: early but not too early
[6:45pm] Egos: you mis-interpret how notch plays the game
[6:46pm] Egos:
[6:46pm] psolms: clearly
[6:46pm] psolms: but adding a throwaway to a close vote is not a good mafia strategy
[6:46pm] psolms: except in early days
[6:46pm] psolms: 1 and maybe 2
[6:47pm] psolms: if you truly believe that thorgot is evil, fine
[6:47pm] psolms: vote away
[6:47pm] psolms: but if its just a 'this seems like it might make sense', then i need you to help me stomp aegis
[6:48pm] psolms: because i whole heartedly believe that thorgot is innocent and is a mafia play
[6:49pm] Egos: why do you need my help?
[6:49pm] Egos: either aegis is the vigi
[6:49pm] Egos: or he should die to it
[6:49pm] Egos: no other reason to explain why he is alive
[6:49pm] Egos: either hes on the cutting floor
[6:49pm] Egos: or something else
[6:49pm] Egos: hes the obvious kill
[6:50pm] psolms: because i want the kill to go elsewhere
[6:50pm] psolms: and we need to thin the difference between them
[6:50pm] psolms: otherwise voting records become skewed
[6:51pm] psolms: because 10 days in and weve killed a total of 5 mafia
[6:51pm] psolms: how many players were there to start
[6:52pm] Egos: 87
[6:52pm] Egos: 21 mafia max
[6:52pm] Egos: or around thre
[6:52pm] psolms: vig should kill buzz/malkor/darian... one of the outside players that isnt getting alot of attention
[6:52pm] Egos: *there
[6:52pm] psolms: call it 20
[6:52pm] psolms: with 1 SK
[6:52pm] Egos: sk is dead
[6:52pm] psolms: so we have killed 5/20 mafia
[6:52pm] psolms: that means 15/~50 players are mafia right now
[6:54pm] psolms: ignore that
[6:54pm] psolms: 15/31
[6:54pm] psolms: if
is a real player
[6:54pm] Egos: yup
[6:54pm] psolms: this situation is dire
[6:54pm] psolms: if they sweep this night, we lose
[6:54pm] Egos: very easy to figure out who
is
[6:54pm] Egos: hell if the vigis screw up they win
"[6:54pm] psolms: i dont think hes a real player
[6:54pm] Egos: oh he is
[6:55pm] psolms: so if they sweep - ie no vote loss or vig loss
[6:55pm] Egos: M I C Kay E Y
[6:55pm] psolms: it becomes 15/25
[6:55pm] psolms: and thats a guarenteed win there
[6:55pm] psolms: game over
[6:56pm] Egos: 14/25 they still win
[6:56pm] psolms: its 15v16 right now
[6:56pm] psolms: i hadnt even thought of that
[6:56pm] psolms: it might be too late
[6:56pm] Egos: well assuming the two vigis kill innocents
[7:02pm] psolms: i think we have lost this game
[7:02pm] psolms: and beel makes the perfect mafia play
[7:02pm] psolms: "im the network mouth, vote for the guy i voted for earlier"
[7:02pm] • Egos shrugs
[7:03pm] psolms: we vote thorgot, he dies clean
[7:03pm] psolms: we torch beel, but by then its too late and we have already lost
[7:03pm] Egos: its pretty much too late regardless
[7:03pm] Egos: considering the vigis aim
[7:03pm] psolms: yeah true enough
[7:03pm] psolms: with their luck, they'll wipe out the remaining villagers for the mafia
[7:04pm] Egos: he really didnt need to take a risk theoretically
[7:04pm] psolms: dont go down that line of though
[7:04pm] psolms: B:L will trap you there
[7:04pm] psolms: beel is a seriously notorious player
[7:04pm] psolms: *thought
[7:04pm] Egos: for being insane
[7:04pm] psolms: "if he didnt need to take that risk, it means hes likely not evil"
[7:05pm] psolms: thats what hes counting on you to think
[7:05pm] psolms: BL is never evil, unless he's alive at the end of the game
[7:05pm] Egos: he does have the fact infidel is on it
[7:05pm] psolms: because experienced players know that people will seer him early
[7:05pm] Egos: which helps his case
[7:06pm] psolms: well i had infidel on my law wagon
[7:06pm] psolms: look how that turned out
[7:07pm] psolms: also
[7:07pm] psolms: if you want to talk about risks he didnt have to take
[7:07pm] psolms: thorgot still has a healthy (5+ votes) lead over aegis
[7:07pm] psolms: all im doing is making a small splash in his direction
[7:07pm] psolms: why bother coming out at all
[7:07pm] psolms: if it gets within 2, sure
[7:07pm] Egos: since you're a convincing statesman
[7:08pm] psolms: but thorgot has like 13 votes
[7:08pm] Egos: and if hes right hes dead anyway
[7:08pm] psolms: aegis has maybe 7
[7:08pm] psolms: if beel is evil
[7:08pm] psolms: i will not be killed tonight
[7:09pm] Egos: you certainly wont be killed if thorgot is evil
[7:09pm] psolms: this is tru
[7:09pm] psolms: e
[7:10pm] Egos: granted I admit im a bit biased because of a weird thing thorgot said to me
[7:10pm] Egos: seemed a bit like phishing
[7:10pm] psolms: which was?
[7:10pm] Egos: after the "suggestion " to seer the law
[7:10pm] Egos: he said (4 hours later)
[7:10pm] Egos: "never a good idea, unless that was some sort of reveal"
[7:11pm] Egos: paraphrasing obviously
[7:11pm] Egos: I got the feeling he could have been trying to see if I knew something considering the time difference
[7:11pm] Egos: compared to bl's "you are dumb egos"
[7:11pm] Egos: which was 10 minutes after
[7:11pm] Egos: struck me as odd..